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jkern15674
Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 208
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Posted: 3/2/2006, 10:17 pm Post subject: GC permits |
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Anyone know the rules for selling/gifting a backcountry permit for the GC?? Is it allowed and do you have to go through the GCBCO to arrange it or do you just change the trip leader??? |
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Cholla
Joined: 26 Oct 2005 Posts: 379
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Posted: 3/2/2006, 11:41 pm Post subject: |
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I can't find the info quickly now, but I seem to remember that if you canceled a trip, you would receive credit for a future trip. |
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jkern15674
Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 208
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Posted: 3/3/2006, 1:23 am Post subject: |
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That would be correct you get a credit minus the processing fee good for you next BC permit. But can you "sell" it or "give it" to someone else to use or do they need to get another itinerary?? i.e. new permit. |
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IGO
Joined: 08 Feb 2005 Posts: 4144 Location: Las Vegas
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Posted: 3/3/2006, 5:55 am Post subject: Re: GC permits |
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jkern15674 wrote: |
Anyone know the rules for selling/gifting a backcountry permit for the GC?? Is it allowed and do you have to go through the GCBCO to arrange it or do you just change the trip leader??? |
Non-Transferable. Permits and party are the responsibility of the permitted.
http://www.nps.gov/grca/backcountry/permit_app.htm _________________ "Surely all God's people, however serious or savage, great or small, like to play. Whales and elephants, dancing, humming gnats, and invisibly small mischievous microbes - all are warm with divine radium and must have lots of fun in them." John Muir |
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Cholla
Joined: 26 Oct 2005 Posts: 379
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Posted: 3/3/2006, 6:12 am Post subject: |
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Wow, good job digging that out IGO! I still can't find where it says that, but recall reading it in the past and hesitated to make that statement. You might not be able to spel, but your a real good researcher.
Cheers! |
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Hikngrl Canyoneering is my 'Happy Place'
Joined: 27 May 2003 Posts: 5578 Location: Peoria, AZ
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Posted: 3/3/2006, 6:18 am Post subject: |
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Cholla wrote: |
I can't find the info quickly now, but I seem to remember that if you canceled a trip, you would receive credit for a future trip. |
I don't know... we had to cancel a trip I permitted and we just sucked up the permit... I went to the BCO and enquired about a refund and they told me they usually don't do it but I could write a letter to (forgotten name) and see if they would be willing to refund the money as some times they do but they did not.....If it haddn't been for the storm and a "certain hiker" deciding to try and fly in her tent..... _________________ ~~~Diane~~~
I want to shine! |
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Cholla
Joined: 26 Oct 2005 Posts: 379
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Posted: 3/3/2006, 6:26 am Post subject: |
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This is from the permit procedures:
"There is a non-refundable fee of $10 per permit plus $5 per person per night camped below the rim and $5 per group per night camped above the rim. Permit cancellations will incur a $10 cancellation fee. All fees paid to the Backcountry Office continue to be non-refundable. Frequent users may wish to purchase a one-year Frequent Hiker membership for $25 that waives the initial $10 fee for each permit obtained by the trip leader for twelve months from the date of purchase."
I still can't find it in writing, but as I recall if you do cancel a trip the balance from the fees paid would be held as a credit to be applied to a future trip.
Maybe another cup of coffee this morning will get my other eye open and I'll see it. Hmmm... sort of working off of memory a bit on this one, but did want to quote what I've found in writing so far. |
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IGO
Joined: 08 Feb 2005 Posts: 4144 Location: Las Vegas
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Posted: 3/3/2006, 6:28 am Post subject: |
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Thank you.
I could probably spell a little better if I weren't such a lazy typer. LOL. _________________ "Surely all God's people, however serious or savage, great or small, like to play. Whales and elephants, dancing, humming gnats, and invisibly small mischievous microbes - all are warm with divine radium and must have lots of fun in them." John Muir |
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Cynhikr
Joined: 09 Jan 2003 Posts: 1197 Location: Tempe, AZ.
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Posted: 3/3/2006, 8:29 am Post subject: |
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Cholla wrote: |
This is from the permit procedures:
"There is a non-refundable fee of $10 per permit plus $5 per person per night camped below the rim and $5 per group per night camped above the rim. Permit cancellations will incur a $10 cancellation fee. All fees paid to the Backcountry Office continue to be non-refundable. Frequent users may wish to purchase a one-year Frequent Hiker membership for $25 that waives the initial $10 fee for each permit obtained by the trip leader for twelve months from the date of purchase."
I still can't find it in writing, but as I recall if you do cancel a trip the balance from the fees paid would be held as a credit to be applied to a future trip.
Maybe another cup of coffee this morning will get my other eye open and I'll see it. Hmmm... sort of working off of memory a bit on this one, but did want to quote what I've found in writing so far. |
I have been issued a "hiker credit" a couple of times. The $10.00 fee is forfeited, but the $5.00 per day/per person is put "on account"; that is, of the permit holder.
From GCNP's site >>>
"Q: Can I get a refund for my backcountry permit?
A: No. Backcountry permits are non-refundable. The intent of this policy is to deter people from buying permits that they are not going to use. Competition for permits can be fierce. We want space that is not going to be used to be available for other visitors. Hiker Credit is available for permits cancelled at least three days in advance, minus a $10 cancellation fee. Hiker Credit can be used to purchase backcountry permits at Grand Canyon National Park and is good for one year. You can notify us of cancellations in person, by mail, or by fax. However before Hiker Credit can be issued we need the physical copy of the permit returned to us in person or by mail." _________________ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
---Benjamin Franklin
"I wonder what ole' Ben would've thought of the TSA and photo-radar?" -- cynhikr |
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azbackpackr Hi Tech Wizardess
Joined: 31 Dec 2005 Posts: 3639 Location: Needles CA
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Posted: 3/3/2006, 8:50 am Post subject: |
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Yeah I tried to do this last year a couple of days before the hike. I had a permit for 6, wanted to change it to 3 people and get future hiker credit for the the other 3. They said that at that late notice I could only do that in person, and that usually you have to do it 2 weeks in advance. What they would have done in my case was to issue me a new permit for 2 nights, 3 people, and give me credit for a future 2 night hike for 3 people. I would have a year to use this credit, but would still have to go through the permit process, applying on the 1st of the month 4 months before the hike as usual. They will issue credit for the full number of hikers, or as in my case, the 3 who didn't go. I could have gotten it but I waited too long, as it was only 2 days before my hike when I found this out. I didn't want to take time to go to the Backcountry Office and make the change. |
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Tom Treks Gear Addict
Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 3347
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Posted: 3/3/2006, 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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Well, I know that our "trip leader" on our last permit to Havasupai was GTG 'Schwartz', or something like that.
hint, hint.
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desertgirl
Joined: 19 Jan 2003 Posts: 3350 Location: Chandler, AZ
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Posted: 3/3/2006, 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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HIG wrote: |
Well, I know that our "trip leader" on our last permit to Havasupai was GTG 'Schwartz', or something like that.
hint, hint.
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But Havasupai permits are not from NPS _________________ Photos: http://www.pbase.com/desertgirl/galleries
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Tom Treks Gear Addict
Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 3347
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Posted: 3/3/2006, 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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Just used as an example. Didn't you get the 'hint'? |
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azhiker96
Joined: 05 Jan 2003 Posts: 1419
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Posted: 3/3/2006, 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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HIG wrote: |
Well, I know that our "trip leader" on our last permit to Havasupai was GTG 'Schwartz', or something like that.
hint, hint.
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I had a buddy in Oklahoma who rode a 1978 HD Shovelhead. All of the utilities at his house were registered under the name H. Davidson. I recken you'd be okay as long as nobody asked to see ID. _________________ It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. -- Carl Sagan |
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