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Shawn I'll sell you map to Lost Dutchman mine!
Joined: 03 Jan 2003 Posts: 2592 Location: Ahwatukee, AZ
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Posted: 12/15/2003, 10:28 pm Post subject: Trash or treasure? |
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On the Six Shooter Canyon hike we found a rather nice jacket in the middle of the trail.
Sunday on the trail back from Reavis Ranch, about a half mile from the TH, we found a zip lock with about a quart of honey and a similar sized container of syrup in it. The bag was all by itself at the base of a large rock near a likely camp site. We debated whether it was left there to be picked up later, or simply forgotten and was "trash."
What is the "right" thing to do when finding something of some value, obviously or apparently not trash, in the back country? Should you haul it out, or leave it there for the owner to return for it?
Comments, thoughts? _________________ The bear went over the mountain to see what he could see. |
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Tom Treks Gear Addict
Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 3347
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Posted: 12/16/2003, 5:37 am Post subject: |
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That would probably be a judgement call at the time. I haven't found a whole lot of "stuff" out on the trails except for obvious garbage.
I would say, if you find something of value like a nice jacket, and don't see anyone else on the trail, hang it at the trailhead. On the other hand, if it's something of lesser value, and still noone else on the trail, I'd pack it out as garbage if the ability presents itself.
The little bags of dog poopie are what really ticks me off. I'd love to track one of them folks down, light it on fire, and place it on their doorstep.
This question reminds me of the time when azhiker96 found a whole day pack out in the Supers. Makes ya wonder. |
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Daryl
Joined: 07 Feb 2003 Posts: 1168 Location: Everett, Washington
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Posted: 12/16/2003, 11:26 am Post subject: |
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I learned a little about the dog poopie thing. On an out and back hike some people will bag the poop and leave it on the trail side to pick up on the way out so they don't have to carry it around all day.
When I stash stuff, I put it somewhere where it won't be found on accident. Anything I find sitting out in the open I assume was left or lost. _________________
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snick33
Joined: 05 Jan 2003 Posts: 67 Location: Scottsdale Arizona
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Posted: 12/16/2003, 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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Tradesman have a code of ethics, well sort of anyway. If they find a tool on a jobsite, they make sure it's visible, but leave it where they found it.
I've left many a coat or jacket hanging on a bush or tree limb to pickup on the way out. I'd leave them in a less conspicuous place but ah, my memory ain't what it used to be. _________________ Mother nature really likes us, and not just because we taste like chicken. |
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evenstar
Joined: 03 Jan 2003 Posts: 5548 Location: SCW by way of CA
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Posted: 12/16/2003, 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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Daryl wrote: |
I learned a little about the dog poopie thing. On an out and back hike some people will bag the poop and leave it on the trail side to pick up on the way out so they don't have to carry it around all day.
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Back when Star, my first Basenji, was my running partner there was one spot about a mile into the run that was her spot to poop. I used to bag it and leave it to pickup on the way back. Just no way I can run while carrying a back of dog poop. Can't remember it NOT waiting for me on the return _________________ John Richardson and Richie Rich, El Perro de Playero
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Lizard
Joined: 11 Jan 2003 Posts: 200 Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Posted: 12/16/2003, 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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If its something that could be a cache like water or food, I will leave it alone as I don't want to interfere w/ someone's survival. Ditto for finding a full pack or daypack (could have been left near the trail while someone is going to the bathroom).
But if its not one of those things, I will generally pick it up and pack it out. I don't do this with dog poop though, I don't want to encourage people to leave it sitting out so someone else will pick it up. |
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ck1
Joined: 04 Jan 2003 Posts: 1331 Location: Mesa
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Posted: 12/16/2003, 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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Anytime I've seen something "unusual" on the trail I always think I'm on candid camera or something...who would leave a pack, or a jacket, just laying around...but...stranger things have happened. I would hang the item visibly nearby as mentioned by others.
I've been impressed with our group hikes in so far as most of the members pack out MORE than they pack in. AZHIKER can see microscopic garbage and he fills his pockets with the trash of others.
As a dog owner, I've practiced the "get it on the way out" routine, though I usually try to put the baggie somewhere off trail and out of sight of someone who doesn't know it's around.
What get's me is two items...cig butts and food scraps like apple cores and orange peels. _________________ -Colin
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GTG Was lost but now am found
Joined: 30 Dec 2002 Posts: 2387 Location: Peoria, Arizona, originally from Rocket City, USA
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Posted: 12/16/2003, 11:15 pm Post subject: pack it out |
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What get's me is two items...cig butts and food scraps like apple cores and orange peels.
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Ranger Lou calls an area along First Water, "Orange Peel Pass".
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I've been impressed with our group hikes in so far as most of the members pack out MORE than they pack in. AZHIKER can see microscopic garbage and he fills his pockets with the trash of others.
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I'll pick up trash and gear, but not poop.
Ask azhiker96 about me having to haul his sleeping bag off 109 south out of Reavis back in February. _________________ Good things come to those who walk. |
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mike What box?
Joined: 30 Dec 2002 Posts: 3134
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Posted: 12/16/2003, 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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Ranger Lou calls an area along First Water, "Orange Peel Pass".
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First time I ever hiked through there (on the Black Mesa Loop), I recall seeing orange peels at "Stingray Pass". People don't realize, those things last for eons!
I pick up at least one piece of trash on just about every hike I do. _________________ [/size] |
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Daryl
Joined: 07 Feb 2003 Posts: 1168 Location: Everett, Washington
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Posted: 12/17/2003, 11:17 am Post subject: |
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ck1 wrote: |
What get's me is two items...cig butts and food scraps like apple cores and orange peels. |
Ditto here.
People seem to think these items are okay to leave. _________________
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Shihiyea
Joined: 20 Oct 2003 Posts: 1135
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Posted: 12/17/2003, 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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When my boys were little, I would carry an extra bag on hikes and pick up other peoples trash.....they asked me why I did this and my answer was simple and it's also my current signature. I told them, "because one day I want my grandchildren to see this place more beautiful than we are seeing it". |
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Wiz
Joined: 04 Jan 2003 Posts: 61
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Posted: 12/17/2003, 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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Many times I have dropped my pack in order to explore some difficult area more easily. I hope no one sees it and packs it out thinking it's trash! There are lots of good reasons a pack might be lying there. Also, if someone turns up missing, it might be their pack laying there that tips the search team off. So I leave that sort of thing strictly alone.
I pack out obvious trash that I find. Poop I leave alone. I mean, it's not like the critters don't poop! Articles of clothing, wel-l-l... if it's something nice or expensive, like a jacket or something, I leave it alone because the owner might come back for it. If it's like a bandanna or a glove, I treat it as trash. _________________ "...A man who knew that he had to do what he knew he had to do, and knew it!" |
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snick33
Joined: 05 Jan 2003 Posts: 67 Location: Scottsdale Arizona
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Posted: 12/17/2003, 3:01 pm Post subject: |
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I leave clothing where I find it, after I try it on of course. _________________ Mother nature really likes us, and not just because we taste like chicken. |
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grouphiker
Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Posts: 44 Location: Peoria
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Posted: 12/25/2003, 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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Pick it up and put it at the trail head maybe?if it was a loop that is what I would do for sure, if not sure of which trail head the hiker may have started from I would drop it off at the rangers station. |
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Shawn I'll sell you map to Lost Dutchman mine!
Joined: 03 Jan 2003 Posts: 2592 Location: Ahwatukee, AZ
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Posted: 12/27/2003, 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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Biggest piece of trash I hauled out was the removable edge to a road grader blade, from about a mile north of First Water, probably left over from ranching days. Hauled a busted up lawn chair from Hideout Spring in the Galiero's. _________________ The bear went over the mountain to see what he could see. |
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