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Canyon Dweller
Joined: 06 Jan 2003 Posts: 712 Location: Denver, CO
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Posted: 7/25/2007, 10:45 pm Post subject: Braving the crowds |
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The past 3 years I have been having fun hiking all sorts of 12ers and 13ers in the Front Range. I've been enjoying the solitude and even meeting a few people on these peaks. For the most part I have been avoiding the Front Range 14ers because of the crowds. This last Saturday I finally decided to deal with the crowds and do a popular 14er. I decided on something that would be easy for my car to get to and not be a very long drive. Really only Bierstadt fits this description, So I went for it. I first had to mentally prepair myself for the amounts of people I would be seeing.
When I got to the parking area on top of Guenella Pass, at 7:45, it was already full, and parking was starting to be taken up along the road. I parked behind the car I was following up the whole way, got out and started on my way.
Heading down into the willows, I did not see to many people, but as I got to the other side and started heading up it became more and more apperent there were lots of people on this trail. The only thing I could compair it to was hiking Camelback or Piestwa Peak on the busiest day of the year. The higher I got the more people I saw. Every time I looked at the parking area, I saw more and more cars parked along the roadside.
I got to the top at 10:40 and I was amazed at the crowds on top. I decided to count how many people were up there and I counted about 40. I found myself a nice spot below the summit to sit, away from the crowds and eat my snacks. I peered through my binoculars to the summit of Mt Evans and saw there was less of a crowd up there. Strange since it has a paved road leading up to 14,130 feet.
Now came the hardest part of the hike, seeing how long I could hold my bladder on the way down. Too many people to think about pee-ing.
On my way down I pretty much belined it to the bottom, stopping only to take a photo here and there.
So I did it, I braved the crowds on a Front Range 14er. Back to the 13ers, where I can get more solitude. _________________ Mountains are there to be climbed!
"Meaningless! Meaningless," says the teacher, "Utterly Meaningless, Everything is meaningless."-Ecclesiastes 1:2 |
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IGO
Joined: 08 Feb 2005 Posts: 4144 Location: Las Vegas
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Posted: 7/26/2007, 5:37 am Post subject: |
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That's why I never hike Bright Angel or Whitney or Angels Landing. I don't need the trophys, never did. I like how birds sound.
Good for you. _________________ "Surely all God's people, however serious or savage, great or small, like to play. Whales and elephants, dancing, humming gnats, and invisibly small mischievous microbes - all are warm with divine radium and must have lots of fun in them." John Muir |
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Sponge
Joined: 10 Apr 2007 Posts: 23 Location: Luke AFB
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Posted: 7/26/2007, 1:07 pm Post subject: |
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I can completely relate to this story! I feel that way everytime I hike a popular trail.
My wife and I hiked up Angels Landing in 2002, we took the first shuttle of the day and beat everyone to the top. We had the summit to ourselves for almost 30 min
That's the only way to do it! |
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IGO
Joined: 08 Feb 2005 Posts: 4144 Location: Las Vegas
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Posted: 7/26/2007, 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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I hike off trail the the vast majority of the time. I'd say that 85% of my hiking miles I never see another human being. _________________ "Surely all God's people, however serious or savage, great or small, like to play. Whales and elephants, dancing, humming gnats, and invisibly small mischievous microbes - all are warm with divine radium and must have lots of fun in them." John Muir |
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Canyon Dweller
Joined: 06 Jan 2003 Posts: 712 Location: Denver, CO
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Posted: 7/26/2007, 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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I told myself that I would like to do 1 or 2 14ers a year. I figure I could handle a couple of crowded hikes. I too prefer to hike off trail. I ussually take a trail to a certain point, then get off and head my own direction. The weekend before, I took a fairly popular trail, then got off and headed up a ridge that lead me to a 13er. Once on the ridge I only saw one other person coming off the peak. I then decided to do a 12er and there was no evidence of anybody doing the peak.
What is Angels Landing? _________________ Mountains are there to be climbed!
"Meaningless! Meaningless," says the teacher, "Utterly Meaningless, Everything is meaningless."-Ecclesiastes 1:2 |
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IGO
Joined: 08 Feb 2005 Posts: 4144 Location: Las Vegas
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Posted: 7/26/2007, 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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Angels Landing is a 2000 foot tall knife edge in the middle of the valley in Zion _________________ "Surely all God's people, however serious or savage, great or small, like to play. Whales and elephants, dancing, humming gnats, and invisibly small mischievous microbes - all are warm with divine radium and must have lots of fun in them." John Muir |
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PageRob
Joined: 03 Mar 2005 Posts: 859 Location: Page, Az.
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Posted: 7/27/2007, 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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My wife really wants to do Angel's Landing again. She says that the view from the top is one of the most beautiful things around. I've never been. We're starting to work towards it, though, but we're also training for a (GASP) rim-to-rim. _________________ Anywhere is within walking distance if you spend the time. |
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FalconGTHO
Joined: 30 Jul 2007 Posts: 30 Location: West Valley
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Posted: 8/4/2007, 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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Regarding "off trail", isnt it "illegal", subject to fines, blah blah? And, regardless of that, isnt it also discouraged to protect the landscape? |
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PageRob
Joined: 03 Mar 2005 Posts: 859 Location: Page, Az.
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Posted: 8/4/2007, 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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FalconGTHO wrote: |
Regarding "off trail", isnt it "illegal", subject to fines, blah blah? And, regardless of that, isnt it also discouraged to protect the landscape? |
Depends on where and who's managing the resource. _________________ Anywhere is within walking distance if you spend the time. |
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IGO
Joined: 08 Feb 2005 Posts: 4144 Location: Las Vegas
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Posted: 8/5/2007, 5:49 am Post subject: |
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FalconGTHO wrote: |
Regarding "off trail", isnt it "illegal", subject to fines, blah blah? And, regardless of that, isnt it also discouraged to protect the landscape? |
Some areas have very well engineered trails systems. Usually places that are particularly sensitive to un-naturally introduced erosion like switch backs. These places are usually pretty popular destinations. These would be places like steep, narrow passes between strata in canyon country or in loose packed soil in steep mountain country where water bars are very deliberately placed to mimic or control a natural water course. Well thought-out trail systems will often times zig and zag to lend an illusion that a trail only exist in its immediate area or to repeatedly introduce a hiker to new perspectives. Having multiple meanderings confuse the route and trample native vegetation and often times chage water coarses and scare the land forever.
Other places are mostly rock and it would be difficult to know anyone has passed. Those of us who prefer cross country are usually pretty faithful to a "Take only pictures. Leave only foot prints/Tread Lightly" ethic. Even then we do things like use wash bottoms when trying to get from A to Z or step on heads of stone rather that traipse through loose soil if we have a chance. I watch for tiny cactus start or any plant bases and avoid them if I can. Cyanobacteria is a crust on desert soils that we try to avoid stepping in and often times make great diversions to our path to avoid runs of it. It is "living ground cover and are key in reducing erosion, increasing water retention, and increasing soil fertility." Other words you will hear are “Minimal Impact.”
I forget what percentages belong to what states but Arizona, Utah and Nevada are something like 70%, 80% and 90% publicly owned. There are millions more opportunities to explore when you step away from the crowds.
Google “Orienteering” "Tread Lightly" and "Minimal Impact" which are terms of gospel among most eco-recreationalist. _________________ "Surely all God's people, however serious or savage, great or small, like to play. Whales and elephants, dancing, humming gnats, and invisibly small mischievous microbes - all are warm with divine radium and must have lots of fun in them." John Muir |
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FalconGTHO
Joined: 30 Jul 2007 Posts: 30 Location: West Valley
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Posted: 8/5/2007, 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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Right. Im familiar with that. "Dont Bust The Crust", etc. But, you mentioned going off trail, so I wondered how you make that work or otherwise, "get away" with it? |
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azbackpackr Hi Tech Wizardess
Joined: 31 Dec 2005 Posts: 3639 Location: Needles CA
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Posted: 8/6/2007, 4:39 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, it depends totally upon the area. For example, in the White Mtns. it's perfectly okay to walk anywhere you are able to, unless there is a sign that says not to.
The minute they make a blanket law that you can't go off trail anywhere on Federal land I'm taking up knitting! But in some places that rule is a good one, of course, due to the cryptogamic soil, or whatever they're calling it these days. |
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IGO
Joined: 08 Feb 2005 Posts: 4144 Location: Las Vegas
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Posted: 8/6/2007, 5:49 am Post subject: |
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FalconGTHO wrote: |
Right. Im familiar with that. "Dont Bust The Crust", etc. But, you mentioned going off trail, so I wondered how you make that work or otherwise, "get away" with it? |
Ooops my friend. Sorry, but don't bust the crust is am airborne particulates/construction/dust cloud/4 wheeler off road thing, not a hiking thing. It's ok to leave foot prints.
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Read the last post a little closer. It tells you exactly how we cross county harmlessly and legally. _________________ "Surely all God's people, however serious or savage, great or small, like to play. Whales and elephants, dancing, humming gnats, and invisibly small mischievous microbes - all are warm with divine radium and must have lots of fun in them." John Muir |
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GringoDiablo
Joined: 06 Jul 2007 Posts: 11 Location: Mohave Valley
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Posted: 8/6/2007, 9:39 am Post subject: peoples on the trail |
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Kinda odd! I like seeing people on the trails. It's fun to chat, meet people from all aro und the world. Share stories and adventures. Last hike met a father daughter team, the father went to the same Led Zepplin concert I went too in 1977. |
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GringoDiablo
Joined: 06 Jul 2007 Posts: 11 Location: Mohave Valley
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Posted: 8/6/2007, 9:41 am Post subject: peoples on the trail |
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Kinda odd! I like seeing people on the trails. It's fun to chat, meet people from all aro und the world. Share stories and adventures. Last hike met a father daughter team, the father went to the same Led Zepplin concert I went too in 1977. |
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