Red Mountain

Playhog · Joined: 07 Apr 2003 Posts: 2 Location: Mesa

Hi to all.
I was wondering if anyone has ever hiked up Red Mountain.
It looks beautiful this year, almost as much green as red.
I live within hiking distance and have great curiosity for
what's up there.
Does anyone have any info??
Thanks,
Kenny
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mike · What box? Joined: 30 Dec 2002 Posts: 3134

Red Mountain is on private property owned by the Fort McDowell tribe and is off-limits to hiking and climbing. Crying or Very sad

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sidhayes · Joined: 04 Jan 2003 Posts: 116

Hikeaz.com has a write up of this mountain.

Daryl · Posted: 4/9/2003, 10:50 am Post subject:

If you are talking about Red Mountain north of Mesa, forget about it. It is on Salt River Indian land and they don't let people up there.
Supposedly it's sacred land.

Punishment for trespassing on Indian land is a fine of up to $10,000 and they can/will confiscate any and all possesions you have with you, including your car.
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maryphyl · Posted: 4/9/2003, 4:46 pm Post subject:

Are you talking about the Red Mountain north of Flagstaff on Hwy 180?
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cactuscat · Joined: 04 Jan 2003 Posts: 459 Location: Phoenix

I've been admiring the green on Red Mountain, too!
Yes, it's off limits. Yes, people still climb it.
Yes, it's on my list. Diablo

Canyon Dweller · Joined: 06 Jan 2003 Posts: 712 Location: Denver, CO

Illigal mountains are fun. I've done 2 of them up in Flagstaff. I think its quite rediculous to be closing off mountians.
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Daddee · Posted: 4/10/2003, 11:33 am Post subject:

sam_hikes · Joined: 07 Apr 2003 Posts: 383

Reminds me of Mt Baldy near Sunrise which only the official summit is open to tribe members-top often isn't even posted since members of tribe
remove the signs.

Tribal members have been known to take your money and gear if they catch you on the summit.

If you don't get robed then the tribal police have a 4x4 road that you can't see.

Local Forest Service rangers in the Baldy area know all about this mess and do little to warn the public and have posted no signs on the upper trails warning people? 95 percent of the climb is in the USA but you might not know where the tribe's land begins (often no signs) and find yourself in trouble with a sovereign nation.

azrocks · Joined: 14 Jan 2003 Posts: 19

Well said, Daddee, but I don't totally agree. Your own private property was stolen
by superior military force, first from the Indians, then from the Mexicans. Is your
respect for private property strong enough that you are willing to return it to its
rightful owner ? I wouldn't want people wandering over my back yard, but what
if I owned something unique like the Grand Canyon ? Would it be right for me to
deny public access ? I've always appreciated the sentiments of Chief Seattle :
http://www.dimensional.com/~randl/linx.htm
even if it isn't authentic, and when I trespass on Indian sacred property, I try
to treat it with as much respect as any other part of this totally sacred planet.

sidhayes · Joined: 04 Jan 2003 Posts: 116

I understand that the tribe is working on a financial deal regarding access to the mountain. If money can be made through entrance fees, then the mountain could be taken off the sacred list.

desertgirl · Joined: 19 Jan 2003 Posts: 3350 Location: Chandler, AZ

sam_hikes · Joined: 07 Apr 2003 Posts: 383

Did Baldy twice last summer and both times I asked tribe about any permits and was told it's sacred land and you had to be a tribal member.

Only the summit/peak of Mt Baldy is on the rez and the rest is controlled by US/NF. Peak is supposed to be sacred and if they wanted $$$$ they could control it like they do dayhikes into Cibicue?

I am curious about the source of this info because I would like to learn more?

Daryl · Posted: 4/10/2003, 3:55 pm Post subject:

Another thing to remember when trespassing on indian land. Any citizen of the reservation can make a citizens arrest and enforce the law. This means they can take your back pack and your car, they don't have to be a tribal police officer to do this and there is nothing anyone off the resevation can do about it.
When you are on indian reservation it is like being in a different country.
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sam_hikes · Joined: 07 Apr 2003 Posts: 383

I've heard this is true on Mt Baldy expect the locals/rez were taking peoples stuff and selling it right away in the stores.
(this doesn't seem right especially since there's often no signs)

Apache police were ticketing most.