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Tom Treks
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PostPosted: 7/26/2005, 5:51 pm    Post subject: Any Mesquite tree know-it-alls out there? Reply to topic Reply with quote

For some reason this year the Mesquite in my front yard is shedding almost all it's leaves. I see a similar thing (but not as bad) happening to others on the block.

Is this just lack of Monsoon, or what? Wondering if I should get a tree specialist here.
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PostPosted: 7/26/2005, 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Ummm Chin Scratching ...Have you tried watering it?
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PostPosted: 7/26/2005, 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

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For some reason this year the Mesquite in my front yard is shedding almost all it's leaves.

Define that. Most mesquites will drop leaves all of the time. Were all of these trees in the neighborhood planted around the same time? What's your watering system? Is it drip? If not, I bet the poor devil needs a drink. Take the hose out about three feet from the trunk and turn it to Slow Trickle and let it run for five or six hours.
Don't do a broadcast watering job and soak the first few inches of dirt. If it's been watered improperly all of it's life, then it's got a shallow root system and the increased moisture in the ground may allow it to be blown over very easily in our recent storms.

Slow deep water.

How's that for a know-it-all?
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PostPosted: 7/26/2005, 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Aw hell, he's probably been feedin' it that Bud Light watered down panther piss. Give it six pack of MGD or, even better, Sam Adams and it'll perk right up!
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PostPosted: 7/26/2005, 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

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Slow deep water.


Sounds like he might need to go on the WFW. Surprised
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PostPosted: 7/27/2005, 5:36 am    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

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For some reason this year the Mesquite in my front yard is shedding almost all it's leaves.

Define that. Most mesquites will drop leaves all of the time. Were all of these trees in the neighborhood planted around the same time? What's your watering system? Is it drip? If not, I bet the poor devil needs a drink. Take the hose out about three feet from the trunk and turn it to Slow Trickle and let it run for five or six hours.
Don't do a broadcast watering job and soak the first few inches of dirt. If it's been watered improperly all of it's life, then it's got a shallow root system and the increased moisture in the ground may allow it to be blown over very easily in our recent storms.


Well, I do know the thing drops leaves at certain times of the year, believe me. I have a drip system that runs 3 times a week for about 20 mins. The tree is about 6 years old, about 15 feet tall, and about 12 inches in diameter. I'd say it's pretty established. The way I understand it, they are pretty resilient with this kind of climate.

I read that family of trees dumps leaves when it gets hot and dry out, but this year seems out of hand. Sounds like I may need to get an expert out to have a look at it for peace of mind. We'll see.
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PostPosted: 7/27/2005, 5:38 am    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

As for the rest of the comments....

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PostPosted: 7/27/2005, 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

try trimming the mesquite, not watering. These trees should not need a 3x a week drip system. They are resiliant as you stated, you can look at mesquites in the "wild" and view their ability to survive with the provided natural moisture-they do ok. While desert plants are experts at surviving droughts, you may not like how they look while they're doing it. This info taken from Arizona - Sonora Desert Museum's book: Book of Answers.
similar problems arise with Bird Of Paradise and Aloe.
Tom what worked for mine was minimal watering for each tree only once a week. Check the area around your mesquite to see if invading plant roots are stealing its water-plants with large, green leaves for instance. (like bouganvillia and oleander) Its possible to over water native desert plants and people often do it. Water logging your mesquites reduces oxygen availability-it literally drowns the roots. They need even less water during the winter months, when they are dormant.
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PostPosted: 7/28/2005, 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

I never watered my mesquite once it was established (no one waters the onces in the desert) and the bastard would not stop growing. Due to shallow root patterns and me trimming it to look like a tree (in the wild they look more like bushes but HOA would not like that...) it fell over in a storm about once a year. And actually, every year around this time it would lose just about all it's leaves for me to clean up and would come back even stronger in the fall for me to trim some more.

I'll never put one in my yard again...
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PostPosted: 7/28/2005, 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

Now that most of us know-it-alls have checked in;

Just cut it down and we'll use it for firewood on some outing I'm sure.

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PostPosted: 7/28/2005, 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

GTG wrote:
Just cut it down and we'll use it for firewood on some outing I'm sure.

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That's what I did with mine (another one of those out of control ones like Daryl has Rolling Eyes ), I've got a 7 ft+ tall "stump" waiting to be removed...starting to sprout new branches! Confused
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PostPosted: 7/28/2005, 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

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Just cut it down and we'll use it for firewood on some outing I'm sure.

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can you say "porterhouse"?
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PostPosted: 7/28/2005, 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

I've read that in Texas and Oklahoma that mesquites are considered an invasive plant and a nuisance. They actually have developed eradication programs to remove them from rangelands there.

Another interesting bit of information; mesquites have provided a food source for Indians for thousands of years. The pods contain fructose and can also be ground up to make a flour.

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PostPosted: 7/28/2005, 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

GTG wrote:
Another interesting bit of information; mesquites have provided a food source for Indians for thousands of years. The pods contain fructose and can also be ground up to make a flour.

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The Desert Botanical Garden use to accept donations of the pods, they use them in one of their hands-on exhibits showing how the flour is made. In case anyone is looking for something to do with all those fallen pods on the ground... Wink
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PostPosted: 7/28/2005, 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply to topic Reply with quote

According to the U of A Master Gardener program... all native trees should be off irrigation systems after 5 years in the ground, cut em loose.
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