Jet Boil

Daddee · Posted: 4/7/2004, 8:30 am Post subject: Jet Boil

Here is an interesting new product - the Jet Boil.

I'm not sure about the practicality of this for backpacking - but still, the increase in efficiency for fuel consumption has to be recognized.
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Cynhikr · Joined: 09 Jan 2003 Posts: 1197 Location: Tempe, AZ.

I love the idea of this stove for longer backpacks - especially the koozie that is part of the pot.
Fuel weight savings vs. Add'l stove weight (over other backpacking canister stoves) ( Jetboil's weight states 12oz., but I have heard that it is more like 14-15 without fuel) starts to come together at about a 5 day trip...
(To boil a quart of water takes about 1/4 oz. of fuel (Jetboil), most canister stoves use 1/2 oz. or a bit more to do the same.)
Also, when not using their pot, (say you want to use a skillet (think FRESH TROUT)...or need a larger pot.) you are out of luck.
$80.00 isn't out-of-the-question, but IS somewhat steep. One does get a pot, koozie and stove for that, though...

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desertgirl · Joined: 19 Jan 2003 Posts: 3350 Location: Chandler, AZ

You can improve you fuel performace quite a bit by using a lighweight windscreen or building one out of rocks & such (ofcourse making sure you dismantle & disperse the rocks etc).

This one is a toss up -- We should get some arizonahikers testers to check this out Exclamation

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Daddee · Posted: 4/7/2004, 3:35 pm Post subject:

BoyNhisDog · Posted: 4/7/2004, 4:27 pm Post subject:

The insulation thing has me thinking. I carry a Snowpeak 1400 ti pot and lid to cook for two. The Snowpeak stove itself weighs little and the pot not much either, but if it were insulated on the sides and lid, it would boil faster. Screening from the wind is always good.

I think extended forays with only one person, then that Jet Boil would look good.
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Cynhikr · Joined: 09 Jan 2003 Posts: 1197 Location: Tempe, AZ.

I made a koozie for my pot (to keep the food inside warm AFTER cooking) using the foam from an old closed cell foam pad & silicone (if you get gung-ho, you can use heavy duty aluminum foil insidethe koozie.
Or make it from foil-backed insulation - a.k.a. radiant barrier (See Home Depot/Lowe's). If you are manually challenged, these guys make them for you - www.antigravitygear.com
One advantage to the insulation is that if there is a recipe calling for 7 minute simmer, just bring the water to a boil, then take the pot from the stove, into the koozie, and 10 minutes later you're good-to-go - THERE is your simmer.

A nice windscreen can be made from sheet aluminum flashing.. (Home Depot/Lowe's), or using a donor disposable oven pan or a small coffee can cut down. Of course it's always lighter to use what-have-you at the camp to help block the wind

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Daddee · Posted: 4/8/2004, 11:16 am Post subject:

Nice contraption there - how well does it store for packing? Do you roll up the aluminum, or do you fold it?

It looks pretty sweet - I'm just wondering how convenient and durable it is.
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Cynhikr · Joined: 09 Jan 2003 Posts: 1197 Location: Tempe, AZ.

As I'm a stickler for weight, so I just put it inside the 14" cast iron Dutch Oven that I always take along.. Chuckle

In the photo, on the post above, you'll notice that the top cylindrical section has a vertical seam/joint and the top and base are mated with a seam, as well.
Here are some seam options.....

For MY pot (if you make the screen a bit shorter than your pot), you can just invert it, and if the base is not too oversized, it will (snugly) fit inside your pot after making a small fold in the cylinder near the handle cut out.
You would, of course, put your stove, matches, or what-have-you inside the pot prior.
If one takes it apart each time, it only takes a couple of minutes to reconfigure it, but I generally leave it intact..
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Daddee · Posted: 4/8/2004, 8:35 pm Post subject:

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GTG · Posted: 4/9/2004, 12:11 am Post subject: biscuits and such

Daddee · Posted: 4/9/2004, 10:08 am Post subject:

BoyNhisDog · Posted: 4/9/2004, 10:53 am Post subject:

You wanna bake some good biscuts Mr. Green

out there, you need one of These. They work awesome. I used a similar model a long time ago while running white water to bake cakes out there. Canoe camping is great. This one folds so you can take it anywhere.
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Cynhikr · Joined: 09 Jan 2003 Posts: 1197 Location: Tempe, AZ.

The "Outback Oven" is pretty light and works great!
Think: pizza, cake, brownies, etc.

See here for the ultralight model (9.5 oz.)(uses your existing pan) http://www.backcountrygear.com/catalog/accessdetail.cfm/BP1800

This one weighs more, but it uses THEIR pan/lid >>
8 in. - 19.5 ozs
10 in. - 26 ozs
12 in. - 43 ozs
http://www.outbackgear.com/product/OUTB1

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re. biscuits/gravy (my personal favorite)see: http://redrockstore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=bisgravy&Category_Code=Cache+Lake

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Daddee · Posted: 4/9/2004, 2:19 pm Post subject:

I've used the Outback Oven and a reflector oven before - they're both really outstanding. Although, both methods of baking take a little practice to be able to make something really special. The Outback Oven particularly can be difficult if you don't have a really good stove.

I like that reflector oven Glenn - the fold up capacity is nice. I may have to consider getting one. Very cool.
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