Toughest Hike

sidhayes · Joined: 04 Jan 2003 Posts: 116

Lets have a poll!!! Who thinks that I have said that I was "better and faster than everyone else"? Vote here_____ I believe that I only have put times down occasionally on certain routes. Of course, I could be wrong....perhaps I am deluded....perhaps....insane!! Certainly also a "blow-hard"? Now it is getting good. The web site I have always dreamed of. Keep the attacks coming, the more personal the better!!

Canyon Dweller · Joined: 06 Jan 2003 Posts: 712 Location: Denver, CO

Sid why not slow down for once and join us on a hike? I would really like to meet you. I think it might be interesting on hearing some of your hiking stories. They are alwayes better live in person then on the internet. I would personally like to know your route on the 4 Peaks and Hear you explain it then read up on it. I do like to listen to others hiking stories.
Do you really have to race every hike? Or can you slow down and enjoy the flowers?
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Tom Treks · Gear Addict Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 3347

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Canyon Dweller · Joined: 06 Jan 2003 Posts: 712 Location: Denver, CO

I personally don't see the point is speed hiking. You don't see anything and cannot enjoy the beauty. I can see doing it once in a while, but for every hike? Thats rediculouse. To do rim to rim to rim in one day your hiking at night most of the time and the rest of it your looking at the trail. Absolutly rediculous. People can brag about these times all they want, but I am not impressed.
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ck1 · Joined: 04 Jan 2003 Posts: 1331 Location: Mesa

As my hiking times are always being questioned as well (It took you how long to finish?) I'd like to respectfully ask that the personal attacks stop. This isn't HAZ. Go fight there. Or do it behind people's backs like at the office.
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matt gilbert · Joined: 28 Jul 2003 Posts: 698 Location: Mesa

Boy Colin, you always ruin everyones fun don't you!

No name calling? No fighting? What are we supposed to do? Hike???

I was going to stay out of this but what they hey, right? This is getting a little personal, but I can understand why people don't appreciate feeling like they are being lied to (notice I didn't say the sid is actually a liar). Some of sids claims are pretty amazing, by any standard. It seems reasonable to ask someone who makes such claims to at least lend some creedance to the stories. In a situation like this it means getting out and hiking with other people from the site. Sid may be uncomfortable with that, but to be honest, if Sid wants us to take him and his claims seriously I think its fair to ask him to make a showing, especially (as pete pointed out) if people will be relying on his times as "possible" or "do-able". It really isn't fair to attack him personally (Unless you know something we don't Tom et al...) just because there is an element of doubt to his stories. Sid, if you want to be part of this community (which it seems by your posting here that you do) you have to fulfill your end of the "community". Its a two way street, nobody's asking that much of you, and I don't think anybody wants to race you, and really even if they do, so what? it wouldn't ruin my trip. I think you should come out Sid, I know we might slow you down, but at least the community would trust your posts again.

It does occur to me that no one dislikes being called a liar more than a liar, so if you've got nothing to hide, come on out, make an appearance, let us know that the legendary sidhayes is, in fact, out there.

Tom Treks · Gear Addict Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 3347

Trishness · Posted: 1/1/2004, 11:20 pm Post subject:

sidhayes · Joined: 04 Jan 2003 Posts: 116

Why are some getting so worked up? The times are either true or not. What difference does it make to others? Many claim to be desinterested in "speed hiking" so why the concern over these times? I just do some of the trails and post the results. Who cares???

Tom Treks · Gear Addict Joined: 12 Jan 2003 Posts: 3347

I've got a great idea "Sid".

Why don't you post your hikes without the times from now on? You know what you did. Maybe the trail condition, weather, what you saw, or how it affected you at the time would suffice. Maybe throw a few pictures into the mix too.

That way noone will get all worked up about it, or attack you personally. Problem solved. You wouldn't even have to worry about "who cares" then.

But then again, you like being attacked personally. Hmmm. Sounds like a different "agenda" other than posting on a hiking community site to me.

Cool

Wiz · Joined: 04 Jan 2003 Posts: 61

WHOA! HOLD ON EVERYONE!

Why is everyone jumping Sid for hiking fast? Isn't the point of hiking to have fun? If that's how he has fun, who are any of us to question that? For that matter, who are we to question the truthfulness of his reported times?

Sid, pay no heed. Hike as fast as you like, and I will continue to admire your stamina while at the same time poking along at my leisurely speed (which is how I have fun).

Really, you guys. Let's be adults here.
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SUN_HIKER · Joined: 05 Dec 2003 Posts: 1057

That's right, let's be adults... and don't feed us a bunch of b--- unless you can back it up (like joining the group and do an epic to prove the claim) Just don't like for someone to insult my intelligence. I've been on some of these hikes and know what's possible and not.

Tom's point is right on the money. Beam me up

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Wiz · Joined: 04 Jan 2003 Posts: 61

Sun Hiker, we should really think twice before calling someone else a liar. If you don't want to believe his times, you certainly don't have to. But I feel it to be the height of discourteousness to call someone a liar unless there is something important at stake, which there isn't in this case.

If someone said something untrue about YOU, for instance, that would be cause to call them a liar and issue the challenge. But no one has been insulted or injured by these claims, even if they are untrue (which has not been established).

Remember, there are people out there who are physical juggernauts, and who thrive on intense, punishing activities. Sid may just be one of them. No one has any cause to accuse him of anything, and he is not obliged to prove anything to anyone.

Unless you're ready to back up an accusation, think carefully about issuing it. You may think you're safe sitting behind your computer. But then again, you may meet up someday with a pissed-off Sid who is fully capable of everything he says he is, and would be completely justified in thrashing you for calling him a liar.

If you treat everyone with respect, everything will sort itself out.
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evenstar · Joined: 03 Jan 2003 Posts: 5548 Location: SCW by way of CA

Well, we made it through the first year of our AZH community without any trash talking of a serious nature; I sure would like to see that continued through our second year. Agree

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