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Shawn I'll sell you map to Lost Dutchman mine!
Joined: 03 Jan 2003 Posts: 2592 Location: Ahwatukee, AZ
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desertgirl
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azhiker96
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Posted: 4/24/2009, 9:51 am Post subject: |
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very cool. _________________ It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. -- Carl Sagan |
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azbackpackr Hi Tech Wizardess
Joined: 31 Dec 2005 Posts: 3639 Location: Needles CA
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Posted: 4/24/2009, 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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Shawn I'll sell you map to Lost Dutchman mine!
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Posted: 4/24/2009, 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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azbackpackr wrote: |
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Ft Apache is at White River. Nothing much else out there. _________________ The bear went over the mountain to see what he could see. |
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azbackpackr Hi Tech Wizardess
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Posted: 4/25/2009, 6:32 am Post subject: |
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Oh, duh.
But, you know, the entire reservation used to be called Ft. Apache and there are still a few signs up along the highways calling it that. Did you also check out Kinishba ruin? I have been to Ft. Apache, but not to the ruin. (I have tried to avoid Whiteriver. You hear too many stories. I have been through there, stopped at the grocery store, gotten the evil eye, etc. Up at the ski area, though, the tribal members always seem friendly.)
The tribe loses many young people every year, to suicide, alcohol poisoning, car wrecks and murder. In our local paper it is very common to see their obitiuaries, almost every issue of the twice-weekly paper will have one or two. It is sad. If you talk to people from there some will tell you they have lost 8 or 10 family members in the past couple of years. They have all the advantages offered them through the schools and govt programs, but their society is a mess due to rampant alcoholism, incest and other nasties. Not sure how to help them. Some AA people I knew were going down there every week to try to help, and also used to invite them to off-rez meetings. |
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