Lake Powell silt!!

[Arizonaheat]

Well said, Tempe 8.
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[GeorgAz]

Wow! Jump down off that soapbox,there!I believe Powell's original plan was to build the dam at a higher elevation much farther up North somewhere to avoid the heat and evaporation ,but I believe politics played a part in trashing those plans at that time. Maybe that would've been a better alternative,but no one would listen to Powell! ( Gee, what a surprise!) All I said it was silting up as dams do historically!

[Nighthiker]

Perhaps it can keep the Corps of Engineers and the Bureau of Reclaimation busy dredgeing instead of building.

[cactuscat]

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[GeorgAz]

Colin,you're THE Man!!

[Daryl]

I love discussions like this. I respect the position of wanting to protect the planet, and doing what is right for the environment, making a minimal impact... I’d rather hike the Grand Canyon then walk down the streets of Manhattan any day.

However, I still haven’t heard any convincing evidence to make me change my position on draining Lake Powell. The argument of, it shouldn’t have been built in the first place is not enough. You need to look at the benefits and at what cost do those benefits come.
The only benefit I can see from draining the dam is that the water of the Colorado River will be warmer. Is there anything else? If that’s it, it’s not worth the cost. Happy trout isn’t worth the dollar cost and the lives that will be affected.


PS, the Mississippi River floods every 10-20 years, even with the locks and dams.
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[Daddee]

I was going to post something - but then I thought better of it and decided to shut up. See my original post on the matter. Two people put up two very good arguments - and certain people agree with each of them. I don't think either one has completely refuted the other's argument. Tempe8 made some good comments, Colin reponded, and Tempe8 will probably come back for more. I can think of several good arguments to respond to both of them in fact. But I won't bother with it.

It all depends on your perspective. Everyone probably thinks I'm one big fence sitting do-nothing. Well, that isn't true. I just know when I'm not going to be able to convince anyone of my particular viewpoint. Some perspectives are just too far appart to ever come to an agreement - compromise, possibly. Agreement - highly unlikely.

I have learned this lesson again and again while in graduate school. If you really want to have fun, find a couple of ed psych people - one a behaviorist/operant conditioning theorist and the other a cognitive theorist. Sit back and watch the sparks fly. Good times. Are they both wrong or right? No, they just approach a similar problem from TOTALLY different perspectives. Both perspectives work, by the way, to greater or lesser degree - depending on the application - but two different perspectives will never agree.

I think it is the same thing with conservative vs. non-conservative (I reserve the label of liberal as it implicitly implies an openess to new viewpoints - and today's political "liberals" (and conservatives for that matter) are anything but). They both have thier correct and effective views - depending on the application. The trouble is finding which philosophy to apply in any given situation. That's where the arguing begins...
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[mike]

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Olesma is certainly correct, but where would the fun be if we didn't argue about things here...I think most informed people can see both sides of any issue...I don't think either side intends to convince the other of their viewpoints, but rather to express their opinion on the issues. The key however, is being informed. Without the proper education on the matter, any opinion/arguement is futile.

Now, if you're offering to arrange a face off between a behaviorist / operant conditioning theorist and a cognitive theorist...just tell me where and when, and I'll bringthe beer...Mike will get take out from Pasta Pomodoro and we'll be there!
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[Daryl]

Hey, what does everyone think about packing heat while hiking?

I agree Colin. I personally do not quite understand the logic behind the pro draining of the dam movement but I'd like to. I've read a bit about it in the past and the only reason I've heard is to bring the water temperature back up so the trout do better. I'm not being sarcastic when I'm asking for more benefits of draining the dam. I personally do not think raising the temperature to make the trout happy is reason enough to destroy the lake and thus destroy the city of Page. (by the way, how many ceatures would die and or lose their homes if the lake was drained? (not a sarcastic question either!))
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[azrocks]

It's hard to believe in these days of Neanderthal leaders, but society is getting
richer and more enlightened. I have to believe that someday Lake Powell will
be drained and restored just like we clean the grime of the industrial revolution
off our historic buildings. They'll just teleport the silt to Mars, and change the
name to Abbey Canyon.

[kurthzone]