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Nighthiker
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 Posted: 1/22/2004, 8:19 pm Post subject: Mtn. biking on Peralta Trail |
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| Haven not observed it happening, but I have noted that folks have been mtn. biking on Peralta Trail, Superstition Wilderness Area lately. |
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| Posted: 1/22/2004, 9:45 pm Post subject: biking and such |
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I like mountain biking but that's not cool for folks to be doing it in off limits areas. Would be interesting to see though. Somehow I bet we get to hear CatValet's story of the motorcycle rider he found out there.
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mike
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| Posted: 1/22/2004, 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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6 years ago, or so, I saw a kid of about 15 on a 10-speed road bike about half a mile into the Second Water Trail from First Water TH. His mom was sitting in a lawn chair on the side of the trail, under an umbrella.
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plummer150
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| Posted: 1/23/2004, 12:48 am Post subject: re: |
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Mountian biking is amazing. If their is anything regular about my days is the fact that I mountain bike at least 2miles everyday, even during the winter months regardless of snow.
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cactuscat
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| Posted: 1/23/2004, 10:27 am Post subject: |
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| Anybody caught biking in a wilderness area should have thier bike siezed, at the very least. |
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SUN_HIKER
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| Posted: 1/23/2004, 10:29 am Post subject: |
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How about their legs broken too  oops, guess that's a bit radical! But it would fix the problem!
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Daryl
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| Posted: 1/23/2004, 10:52 am Post subject: |
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That would be a hell of a ride, up and down the Peralta Trail.
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plummer150
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| Posted: 1/23/2004, 10:56 am Post subject: re: |
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I know, it's pretty crazy someone riding their bike in the forest/woods huh?  
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SUN_HIKER
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| Posted: 1/23/2004, 11:07 am Post subject: |
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| I know, it's pretty crazy someone riding their bike in the forest/woods huh? |
Well, out here it's not woods. Some of the trails here are very narrow on ridges and very rocky. When all of the sudden someone comes flying around a boulder and knock you down fifty/hundred feet or so it could turn into a problem, not to mention what it does to the ecology. 
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GTG
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| Posted: 1/23/2004, 11:39 am Post subject: Re: re: |
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| I know, it's pretty crazy someone riding their bike in the forest/woods huh? |
Well it's not that exactly. Peralta Trail lies within the boundaries of the Superstition Wilderness Area. All vehicles, including bikes are not allowed in wilderness areas. Now we may start up a Mountain Bikes VS. Hikers VS. Equestrian debate here, who knows? At any rate the rules is rules.
C'mon CatValet, motorcycle story!
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SUN_HIKER
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| Posted: 1/23/2004, 11:50 am Post subject: |
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| GTG wrote: |
| plummer150 wrote: |
| I know, it's pretty crazy someone riding their bike in the forest/woods huh? |
Well it's not that exactly. Peralta Trail lies within the boundaries of the Superstition Wilderness Area. All vehicles, including bikes are not allowes in wilderness areas. Now we may start up a Mountain Bikes VS. Hikers VS. Equestrian debate here, who knows? At any rate the rules is rules.
C'mon CatValet, motorcycle story!
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You are correct. I wish more people would follow the rules. I was just venting my experience I encounter on a daily basis hiking SM when bikers come flying around a boulder out of nowhere. Can't tell you how many times I came pretty close getting knocked down or thrown down the trail.
Although at South Mountain bikers are allowed, over the years one can easily tell the deterioration of the trail from the Mountain Bikers.
From a safety point, I wish they would create designated trails for Mountain Bikers and designated trails for Hikers only.
I must admit though I'm at awe at some of the Mountain Bikers where they end up at times. Their legs must be made of steel
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mike
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| Posted: 1/23/2004, 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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From a safety point, I wish they would create designated trails for Mountain Bikers and designated trails for Hikers only.
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It would help if the bikers would simply obey trail etiquette. They're supposed to yield to hikers, but it seems few of them do, especially in places like South Mountain Park.
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| Posted: 1/23/2004, 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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OK, GTG: Actually it was not me. What started the tail was a hike I took on the Bluff Springs Trail in about 1976. I kept picking up those old polaroid tear-off sheets that they used to have. The emulsion is toxic and deer eat them to bad results. In the bottom of Barks Canyon, I found the perpetrator. He was tossing another one as I walked up. I explained the problem, and that I had already retrieved his others. He asked if I owned the place. I replied that, in a fashion, I did, and asked him to pick up the last one. He replied "I'll be damned if I do". (In those days I carried an old Ruger Blackhawk .357 mag in a tied down speed rig, cowboy style) I responded, "you'll be dead if you don't". The distinctive triple click of the old single action revolver going full cock and his personal vantage point of the details of the hollow point round facing him got his attention, and that of his wife. He picked it up. He responded while leaving that he would report me to the authorities. I provided him with the phone number and asked him to pass on my regards to the ranger.
While sharing the details with a now departed USFS staffer later, he told me about how he had met a teenager on a dirt bike (motorcycle) on the Dutchman trail near Coffee Flats. The kid gave him some lip, so rather than a ticket, he just whipped out his pocket knife and severed the spark plug wire. Have a nice walk!
Glad I didn't shoot the guy in Barks Canyon--they might have made me carry him out, and he didn't have wheels.... |
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plummer150
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| Posted: 1/23/2004, 12:59 pm Post subject: re: |
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Ha! Great story. We should have a debate forum on here to let it out and vent aggresively...or something like that. Pretty good debate going on for this post. 
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