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IGO
Joined: 08 Feb 2005 Posts: 4144 Location: Las Vegas
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Posted: 6/30/2008, 6:14 pm Post subject: Show of Hands |
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Let's have it. A show of hands.
How many hikers give back to the hike? Let’s see a show of hands.
Do you care about emissions? Do you know what #2 plastics are? Have you given up the V-8? Do you know what a water bar is? Have you even walked out with somebody else’s cigarette butts in your pockets? Do you belong to any conservation societies? How many green votes have you supported when it the results might be painful for you in the long run?
I love you people but other than some folks joining Shawn in his efforts, I almost never hear anything about giving back to the mother earth. _________________ "Surely all God's people, however serious or savage, great or small, like to play. Whales and elephants, dancing, humming gnats, and invisibly small mischievous microbes - all are warm with divine radium and must have lots of fun in them." John Muir |
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bigfoot
Joined: 19 Oct 2005 Posts: 64 Location: Austin, TX
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Posted: 6/30/2008, 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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I have picked up cig. butts many times and candy wrappers - this stuff is lying around only on the corridor trails. The more adventerous trails are always clean - something to say about the more conscientious hikers in the backcountry vs. turons on the corridor trails. _________________ Do onto others as you would have others do unto you.
Do not compare yourself with others; you will end up bitter or vain - for there will always be people better or lesser than yourself. |
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RedRoxx44 Queen of the Walkabout
Joined: 15 Jan 2004 Posts: 1167
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Posted: 6/30/2008, 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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I've picked up trash here and there, put out smoldering campfires, and done some cave conservation. I have an issue with some of the "green" groups, and I tend to side on the side of ranchers and miners as to what to do on THEIR land, repeat, THEIR land. Not that they are all perfect and nice. Some of them aren't. But a lot of the roads and trails we use were made by these people way back when. So certain "green" folks can drive their cars there to get to the hike.
I support conservation efforts, sure, but usually by smaller local groups, who truly care about a local issue, and not some political power maneuvering.
I don't do a lot of it because I usually go places where I don't see trash, the trail is not that maintained, and I think that's great. Let it deteriorate, then no one will walk there, not me or the others that will come after me. Because the trail will be gone, and other more glamorous places will draw all the folks. And it's all good because people will have places that suit their style, and hopefully we won't destroy it all. _________________ You can rest when you're dead |
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azbackpackr Hi Tech Wizardess
Joined: 31 Dec 2005 Posts: 3639 Location: Needles CA
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Posted: 6/30/2008, 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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I do most of the above and always pick up trash. Have done lots of trailwork, belong to several conservation groups.
As for the V-8, we went to see about getting rid of ours on Sat. We found out it may be very hard to sell it! What do you do with it, use it for a chicken coop? See, here's the dilemma: if we sell it then someone else is going to be driving it, right? We are only going to sell it to suit our own desire to have a car less costly to drive, in order that we can drive around more, right? See the hypocrisy in this? I do. Due to the cost of gas, right now that Trailblazer spends most of its time sitting in the driveway--where it's causing no harm! I bike to work, he uses 4 cyl Jeep to trailheads.
Our raging battle on this mountain has to do with ATVers and their vandalism, law-breaking, destructive activities. They ride on most of the hiking trails that are clearly posted "non-motorized" and vandalize all the signs and gates. Maybe gas will get so expensive they won't come up here as much. The FS has their hands full and no budget. Hubby and I are breaking with family tradition and voting a greener ticket this time. Trouble with most pols, they are often super-urban types, don't deeply understand wilderness issues. |
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fairweather8588
Joined: 30 Dec 2003 Posts: 716
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Posted: 6/30/2008, 7:36 pm Post subject: Re: Show of Hands |
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IGO wrote: |
Do you care about emissions? |
Drive a Jeep (at least it's a 4 Banger)
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Do you know what #2 plastics are? |
Not off the top of my head
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Do you know what a water bar is? |
Nope
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Have you even walked out with somebody else’s cigarette butts in your pockets? |
Yep, including my own
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Do you belong to any conservation societies? |
I don't think it's necessary that I have to slap a sierra club sticker on the back of my car to make myself feel like I'm making a difference for the wilderness that I travel through
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I almost never hear anything about giving back to the mother earth. |
I don't do my giving in order to receive recognition for it, and I'm sure that most others don't either _________________ But let the mind beware, that though the flesh be bugged, the circumstances of existence are pretty glorious
Kerouac |
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azbackpackr Hi Tech Wizardess
Joined: 31 Dec 2005 Posts: 3639 Location: Needles CA
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Posted: 6/30/2008, 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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Water bar is either a cafe for teetotalers or.....it's a device of some kind used in trail building to prevent erosion. Sometimes earth, sometimes rock, sometimes a log, even sometimes cement, sometimes an actual unit manufactured just for that purpose. It's installed at an angle to allow water to drain off to the side. |
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sbkelley
Joined: 20 Feb 2007 Posts: 284 Location: Tempe, AZ
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Posted: 6/30/2008, 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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Water bars?
Built 'em. Worked on a trail crew for a year repairing trails around Los Alamos, NM after the Cerro Grande Fire. Came home covered in soot every day dog-tired, but the most rewarding job I've ever had. Lots of trail work with my dad's mountain bike club, too.
Jeep?
Nope. Ride a bus to work or bike. I do own a station wagon that gets 27 mpg
Cigarette butts?
Yep. Had to in Boy Scouts whether we wanted to carry them or not. We carried 8 full gallon bags of beer cans and cigarette butts from local caves, canyons, trails, highways, you name it. Boy Scouts really keys in on all of these questions you've posed. Carried lots of wrappers, cans, and bottles off 14ers and plenty of other trails.
Conservation Societies?
Donated to and support the Colorado 14er Initiative. Member of American Association of Geographers. I think most conservation organizations are well-intentioned, but some are more symbolic than anything. And I don't think that energy developers and ranchers are always evil either, but that's a whole different topic |
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PageRob
Joined: 03 Mar 2005 Posts: 859 Location: Page, Az.
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Posted: 6/30/2008, 9:18 pm Post subject: Re: Show of Hands |
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IGO wrote: |
Do you care about emissions? |
Yes. I drive a Jetta Wagon most of the time, and our Explorer is a V6 2WD.
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Do you know what #2 plastics are? |
Nope.
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Have you given up the V-8? |
Yes. Although I'd like to point out that my '98 Mustang GT with a 4.6L V-8 and manual 5 speed got 30mpg+ on the highway when driven properly. I miss that car...
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Do you know what a water bar is? |
Is it similar to an oxygen bar?
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Have you even walked out with somebody else’s cigarette butts in your pockets? |
Other trash, yes. Butts, no. Don't usually see them on most of the "trails" I hike.
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Do you belong to any conservation societies? |
I work for one, does that count?
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How many green votes have you supported when it the results might be painful for you in the long run? |
Most of the ones that come up, unless I feel they're straw-man issues that will actually hurt the environment in the long run.
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I love you people but other than some folks joining Shawn in his efforts, I almost never hear anything about giving back to the mother earth. |
Judge me by my actions, not by my words, because I tend to do more than I talk about. _________________ Anywhere is within walking distance if you spend the time. |
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