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sacred_datura
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 Posted: 10/3/2007, 9:04 pm Post subject: technical vs. non-technical |
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What's the difference? Does non-technical indicate climbs that don't require ropes, harness, bells, and whistles?
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pfredricks
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| Posted: 10/3/2007, 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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that's pretty much the difference
...although everyone's opinion about what is technical or not is somewhat subjective
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azbackpackr
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| Posted: 10/4/2007, 4:16 am Post subject: |
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We had this issue come up in the Southern Arizona Hiking Club a few years ago. (They finally had to ban club-sponsored roped climbs due to a couple of incidents. They carry insurance, and it was going to be prohibitively expensive to insure for roped climbs.)
To a rock climber, technical means use of a lot of hardware, if I'm not mistaken. Chocks, pitons, mechanical ascenders, etc. To a rock climber a simple rappel, or a simple rope-assisted climb with one anchor and a belay is NOT considered technical.
But to the hikers in SAHC, any use of a rope was considered "technical." This became confusing when there were actual experienced rock climbers in the middle of the discussion, because in rock climbing the terminology is much more specific. |
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Matt Hoffman
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| Posted: 10/4/2007, 7:35 am Post subject: |
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| azbackpackr wrote: |
To a rock climber a simple rappel, or a simple rope-assisted climb with one anchor and a belay is NOT considered technical.
But to the hikers in SAHC, any use of a rope was considered "technical." This became confusing when there were actual experienced rock climbers in the middle of the discussion, because in rock climbing the terminology is much more specific. |
The climbers in Tucson must have been trying to be difficult when it came to the use of the term "technical".
Most climbers consider any climb where a rope is used to be technical. It really is as simple as that.
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Al_HikesAZ
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I basically agree with Matt. My understanding is that anytime you "set protection" it is technical. I imagine you could use a rope without "setting protection" but that sort of defeats the purpose of using the rope. Why use the rope if it's not secure? I want protection not psychological comfort.
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azbackpackr
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| Posted: 10/4/2007, 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Matt Hoffman wrote: |
The climbers in Tucson must have been trying to be difficult when it came to the use of the term "technical". |
Cute! Hadn't thought of that!
I'll tell you, I'm glad the club banned the use of ropes, though. I witnessed some pretty scary stuff where the people had no business doing what they were doing. Little old ladies who wanted all the peaks on the club's list. (Like birders with their bird list--peakbaggers with their peak list. You know the type.) Back then these club list peaks included Babo, Cathedral, Thimble, etc. And there was this guy leading the roped hikes who was basically a putz. He took a lady off belay without telling her he had done so, and she fell and got hurt. Luckily not terribly hurt, but she had to go to the hospital. |
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azhiker96
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I've heard pretty much what Matt said but wonder if technical would be better defined as anything that is rated 5.0 or above. After all, there are people who free climb stuff that would curl most people's toes to do in a harness. That means a climb might be technical depending on who is climbing.
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threedogz
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I thought technical hiking/climbing/biking meant bringing a laptop with...
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azbackpackr
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Hikngrl
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| I thought technical hiking/climbing/biking meant bringing a laptop with... |
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